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nicias: i mean to say, laches, that courage is the knowledge of that which inspires fear or confidence in war, or in anything.

laches: how strangely he is talking, socrates.

socrates: why do you say so, laches?

laches: why, surely courage is one thing, and wisdom another.

socrates: that is just what nicias denies.

laches: yes, that is what he denies; but he is so silly.

socrates: suppose that we instruct instead of abusing him?

nicias: laches does not want to instruct me, socrates; but having been proved to be talking nonsense himself, he wants to prove that i have been doing the same.

laches: very true, nicias; and you are talking nonsense, as i shall endeavour to show.

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